Comments on: YEAH, WHEN PIGS FLY: TAKING DELTA’S NORTHWEST http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss Politics-Opinions-Life Issues-Impact! Fri, 10 Sep 2010 16:43:37 -0400 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-61700 admin Mon, 02 Nov 2009 04:33:09 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-61700 blogging tips, Thanks so much for stopping by! blogging tips,
Thanks so much for stopping by!

]]> By: blogging tips http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-61694 blogging tips Mon, 02 Nov 2009 03:16:38 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-61694 cool article cool article

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60835 admin Fri, 30 Oct 2009 14:41:14 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60835 bluzdude, "And yes, it is common for pilots to temporarily lose contact with ATC: We copy down the wrong frequency or mistakenly leave the volume down; we miss a handoff. But these are innocuous gaffes that generally resolve themselves after just a minute or two. For an hour to pass? On a short-haul domestic flight? Had they not noticed the absence of ATC? Were they not monitoring their position relative to the flight plan waypoints, right there on the plane's navigation screens?" Great info from an insider, but frightening too, isn't it? Thanks for sending this along, bluz. BTW, your post today was hysterical. Visit bluzdude every day for grins, giggles and football through the eyes of a fanatic fan we love to read. :) bluzdude,
“And yes, it is common for pilots to temporarily lose contact with ATC: We copy down the wrong frequency or mistakenly leave the volume down; we miss a handoff. But these are innocuous gaffes that generally resolve themselves after just a minute or two. For an hour to pass? On a short-haul domestic flight? Had they not noticed the absence of ATC? Were they not monitoring their position relative to the flight plan waypoints, right there on the plane’s navigation screens?”

Great info from an insider, but frightening too, isn’t it? Thanks for sending this along, bluz. BTW, your post today was hysterical.

Visit bluzdude every day for grins, giggles and football through the eyes of a fanatic fan we love to read. :)

]]> By: bluzdude http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60812 bluzdude Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:46:47 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60812 I just read a very informative article about the incident in Salon, written by a pilot that has a semi-regular column for them. You can check it out here: http://www.salon.com/tech/col/smith/2009/10/29/askthepilot339/index.html?source=rss&aim=/tech/col/smith I just read a very informative article about the incident in Salon, written by a pilot that has a semi-regular
column for them.
You can check it out here:
http://www.salon.com/tech/col/...../col/smith

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60807 admin Fri, 30 Oct 2009 13:41:00 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60807 DorothyL, Your insight through the eyes of an air traffic controller is very telling. I have read that they have a high incidence of burn-out, given the intensity of the job. I also like your idea of writing to the airlines when we have a bad experience. Perhaps we should be more proactive, rather than taking this flying down. Hugzzz back, my friend. DorothyL,
Your insight through the eyes of an air traffic controller is very telling. I have read that they have a high incidence of burn-out, given the intensity of the job.

I also like your idea of writing to the airlines when we have a bad experience. Perhaps we should be more proactive, rather than taking this flying down.

Hugzzz back, my friend.

]]> By: DorothyL http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60735 DorothyL Fri, 30 Oct 2009 11:06:06 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60735 I totally understand your mistrust and fear with flying. I was married to an air traffic controller and I heard many horrifying stories as to what goes on behind the scenes and it is seriously not comforting. Everything seems to be changing for the worse...people pleasing has taken a backseat that that bottom line.. 'PROFIT' I have a friend that never misses an opportunity to write the airlines with her issues when flying and she flies a lot...I have to say she gets compensated to the nines. She has also said, that if everyone wrote in with their issues, things might be taken more seriously, but as we know people are ready to spout out words but rarely take the most effective route which is action towards the airlines in question ! Good luck on your flight girlfriend :) Hugzzz~D~ I totally understand your mistrust and fear with flying. I was married to an air traffic controller and I heard many horrifying stories as to what goes on behind the scenes and it is seriously not comforting.

Everything seems to be changing for the worse…people pleasing has taken a backseat that that bottom line.. ‘PROFIT’

I have a friend that never misses an opportunity to write the airlines with her issues when flying and she flies a lot…I have to say she gets compensated to the nines. She has also said, that if everyone wrote in with their issues, things might be taken more seriously, but as we know people are ready to spout out words but rarely take the most effective route which is action towards the airlines in question !

Good luck on your flight girlfriend :)

Hugzzz~D~

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60565 admin Fri, 30 Oct 2009 02:09:39 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60565 Dorothy, We drive as often as possible. This trip is just too long, so we have to fly, darn it. And you're right; it is disgusting. Dorothy,
We drive as often as possible. This trip is just too long, so we have to fly, darn it. And you’re right; it is disgusting.

]]> By: Dorothy Stahlnecker http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60547 Dorothy Stahlnecker Thu, 29 Oct 2009 23:38:52 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60547 Isn't this stuff disgusting, I'm so sick of people not doing their job...and my husband and I rarely fly we almost always choose to drive no matter how far we have to go. Dorothy from grammology grammology.com Isn’t this stuff disgusting, I’m so sick of people not doing their job…and my husband and I rarely fly we almost always choose to drive no matter how far we have to go.

Dorothy from grammology
grammology.com

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60466 admin Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:18:07 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60466 bluzdude, Absolutely right! This airline has been doing poorly as it is. Let's see what happens to them after THIS episode. I have put up with bad fights, lost luggage and delayed departures. We should not have to put up with crumby, unethical behavior by pilots who have a job to do which happens to involve the safety of transporting passengers. I wish we had not already paid for these tickets. I would cancel out of principle but it would cost us---not them. I'm still riled up! It's the Irish in me.... bluzdude,
Absolutely right! This airline has been doing poorly as it is. Let’s see what happens to them after THIS episode. I have put up with bad fights, lost luggage and delayed departures. We should not have to put up with crumby, unethical behavior by pilots who have a job to do which happens to involve the safety of transporting passengers.

I wish we had not already paid for these tickets. I would cancel out of principle but it would cost us—not them. I’m still riled up! It’s the Irish in me….

]]> By: bluzdude http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60453 bluzdude Thu, 29 Oct 2009 17:49:37 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60453 Maybe they should replace the cockpit doors with bulletproof glass... the kind you see at dodgy convenience stores. They forget that they're working for US. We should be able to keep them honest. Maybe they should replace the cockpit doors with bulletproof glass… the kind you see at dodgy convenience stores. They forget that they’re working for US. We should be able to keep them honest.

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60447 admin Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:32:50 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60447 Gloria, How well I remember your terrible experience. Your point about what else we don't know is also frighteningly true. As those who must fly, we are subject to appropriate security measures. I have never minded that since I feel it is necessary in these times. But who checks the pilots? Would someone please tell us that! Gloria,
How well I remember your terrible experience. Your point about what else we don’t know is also frighteningly true. As those who must fly, we are subject to appropriate security measures. I have never minded that since I feel it is necessary in these times.

But who checks the pilots? Would someone please tell us that!

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60446 admin Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:29:19 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60446 Tamara, "You can’t just “phone it in” when you’re flying a jet!" What an apt statement. They get paid a lot to whine about sleep deprivation, which is one of the excuses being bandied about. The NTSB needs to take stern measures, preventative measures, so this sort of thing does not happen again. Tamara,
“You can’t just “phone it in” when you’re flying a jet!” What an apt statement. They get paid a lot to whine about sleep deprivation, which is one of the excuses being bandied about. The NTSB needs to take stern measures, preventative measures, so this sort of thing does not happen again.

]]> By: Gloria Kelley http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60443 Gloria Kelley Thu, 29 Oct 2009 16:21:00 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60443 As you know, I had a bad experience with "mechanical problems" on both of the flights I took home in September (on the same day no less). I really liked Northwest. The flight going to Michigan was wonderful, great plane, great service and most of all absolutely delicious dinner served that day. I thought I would fly Northwest from now on instead of American, but after the return trip incidents and certainly after this last fiasco I've decided to go back to American Airlines. I don't blame you for feeling edgy about NW, I'm sure they're taking a lot of heat on this one. What is starting to bother me is that there is no way of knowing what's going on in the cockpit that we DON'T know about. As you know, I had a bad experience with “mechanical problems” on both of the flights I took home in September (on the same day no less). I really liked Northwest. The flight going to Michigan was wonderful, great plane, great service and most of all absolutely delicious dinner served that day.
I thought I would fly Northwest from now on instead of American, but after the return trip incidents and certainly after this last fiasco I’ve decided to go back to American Airlines.
I don’t blame you for feeling edgy about NW, I’m sure they’re taking a lot of heat on this one. What is starting to bother me is that there is no way of knowing what’s going on in the cockpit that we DON’T know about.

]]> By: Tamara Hellgren http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60430 Tamara Hellgren Thu, 29 Oct 2009 15:39:59 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60430 I was flabbergasted when I first read about that flight. Pilots have such a high-profile job, and it's such a huge responsibility, and usually it's a position that commands a lot of respect. I really don't understand how they could fail to pay attention for SO LONG--and then lie about it. I believe when the story first came out they said that they had been "distracted by an involved conversation" and now they're saying laptops. But the silver lining is that those two are out of the cockpit before the skies become even fuller with holiday travelers--and hopefully this story (which, after all, had no injuries or deaths) will serve as a timely wake-up call to the rest of the folks in the airline industry: heads up! You can't just "phone it in" when you're flying a jet! I was flabbergasted when I first read about that flight. Pilots have such a high-profile job, and it’s such a huge responsibility, and usually it’s a position that commands a lot of respect. I really don’t understand how they could fail to pay attention for SO LONG–and then lie about it. I believe when the story first came out they said that they had been “distracted by an involved conversation” and now they’re saying laptops.

But the silver lining is that those two are out of the cockpit before the skies become even fuller with holiday travelers–and hopefully this story (which, after all, had no injuries or deaths) will serve as a timely wake-up call to the rest of the folks in the airline industry: heads up! You can’t just “phone it in” when you’re flying a jet!

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60426 admin Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:34:40 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60426 WillOaks Studio, You are so right. When my parents used to fly, it was a big deal. They wore finery and there was a sense of class about the whole experience. Imagine, we worry about terrorists (rightfully) and hijacking (rightfully). These pilots had Air Traffic Control so concerned that the White House put the National Guard on stand-by thinking this was a possible hijacking. Now that's serious. I hope these guys are never allowed to pilot again. WillOaks Studio,
You are so right. When my parents used to fly, it was a big deal. They wore finery and there was a sense of class about the whole experience.

Imagine, we worry about terrorists (rightfully) and hijacking (rightfully). These pilots had Air Traffic Control so concerned that the White House put the National Guard on stand-by thinking this was a possible hijacking. Now that’s serious. I hope these guys are never allowed to pilot again.

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60421 admin Thu, 29 Oct 2009 14:20:12 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60421 bluzdude, Oct. 28 (Bloomberg) -- The Delta Air Lines Inc. pilots who overshot their destination by 150 miles had their licenses revoked after the Federal Aviation Administration concluded they flew “carelessly and recklessly” during a “frolic.” There you have it, directly from Bloomberg. Will someone please define "frolic"? I mean, is it in Pilot's Manual 101? The term conjures up all kinds of images, doesn't it? I loved your reference to "Hef"! bluzdude,
Oct. 28 (Bloomberg) — The Delta Air Lines Inc. pilots who overshot their destination by 150 miles had their licenses revoked after the Federal Aviation Administration concluded they flew “carelessly and recklessly” during a “frolic.”

There you have it, directly from Bloomberg. Will someone please define “frolic”? I mean, is it in Pilot’s Manual 101? The term conjures up all kinds of images, doesn’t it? I loved your reference to “Hef”!

]]> By: bluzdude http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60412 bluzdude Thu, 29 Oct 2009 13:16:56 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60412 "Frolic??" Now that would get my attention too. Rule 1 in the cockpit: No Frolicing! Sounds like a night in Hef's grotto at 30,000 feet. “Frolic??”

Now that would get my attention too. Rule 1 in the cockpit: No Frolicing!

Sounds like a night in Hef’s grotto at 30,000 feet.

]]> By: WillOaks Studio http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60268 WillOaks Studio Thu, 29 Oct 2009 04:14:08 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60268 Call me quaint and old fashioned...but does anyone remember when flying was a wonderful, special occasion? We'd wear our good clothes and think it was such a special treat? Nowadays, I'd RATHER just let the pigs fly because it's really a huge hassle, uncomfortable (especially if you're sort of tall), and after hearing about these pilots, I mean, who needs hijackers? The pilots can do a fine job messing up the flight without the assistance of terrorists! Call me quaint and old fashioned…but does anyone remember when flying was a wonderful, special occasion? We’d wear our good clothes and think it was such a special treat? Nowadays, I’d RATHER just let the pigs fly because it’s really a huge hassle, uncomfortable (especially if you’re sort of tall), and after hearing about these pilots, I mean, who needs hijackers? The pilots can do a fine job messing up the flight without the assistance of terrorists!

]]> By: admin http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60140 admin Thu, 29 Oct 2009 00:01:22 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60140 bluzdude, Logic tells me you are right. I guess more than anything I want to draw attention to this matter because it is serious. I saw on the news a bit ago that there was "frolic" in the cockpit. What the heck that means, I don't know. I just put up a video with background by Moby. There used to be a great flying video done to this song, but it is no longer available. Thanks for the advice, my friend. :) bluzdude,
Logic tells me you are right. I guess more than anything I want to draw attention to this matter because it is serious. I saw on the news a bit ago that there was “frolic” in the cockpit. What the heck that means, I don’t know.

I just put up a video with background by Moby. There used to be a great flying video done to this song, but it is no longer available.

Thanks for the advice, my friend. :)

]]> By: bluzdude http://askcherlock.com/2009/10/yeah-when-pigs-fly-taking-deltas-northwest/comment-page-1/#comment-60135 bluzdude Wed, 28 Oct 2009 22:46:10 +0000 http://www.askcherlock.com/?p=1435#comment-60135 In all seriousness, it's probably the best time to fly. All the pilots should be on the ball, given all the flap in the news this week. Oops... you're flying in January... never mind. They'll have forgotten about all this by then. Ok, in even more seriousness... it's not helpful to worry about things you can't control. If driving is out of the question (and in January, driving around the northeast would be much more dangerous), so just let it fly. Don't live life by worrying about all the bizarre things that could happen to anyone at any minute. In all seriousness, it’s probably the best time to fly. All the pilots should be on the ball, given all the flap in the news this week. Oops… you’re flying in January… never mind. They’ll have forgotten about all this by then.

Ok, in even more seriousness… it’s not helpful to worry about things you can’t control. If driving is out of the question (and in January, driving around the northeast would be much more dangerous), so just let it fly. Don’t live life by worrying about all the bizarre things that could happen to anyone at any minute.

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